How To Train Your Humans
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Just a gentle reminder to Moffat stans in the tag, that there is, in fact, a difference between the Doctor being unsure of certain human customs, and the Doctor being a sexist asshole whose sexist behavior is never challenged or corrected by either the characters or the narrative.
A friend of mine responded to this little debate I’m having. I don’t want to drag this person into this, but it is a valid point.
I’m sure you’re enjoying your debate, but just to point out that popularity does not necessarily equate to quality - the viewing figures of any reality show prove that. Popularity has more to do with hype and marketing, it’s complex ;)
Yes, it is a complex issue, but how do you judge a shows success? If it doesn’t stay on the air but had top notch quality writing, is that a success? A show that comes so readily to mind is Firefly, a superbly written and acted show, didn’t even last it’s first season. Was that a success? You know how much I love it, but the verdict has to be no, no it wasn’t. There are many reasons of course, but the outcome is still the same, we have a paltry 14 episodes and a Movie.
So Doctor Who has a huge amount of viewers around the world and let me say, that from an American standpoint, the hype isn’t all the great. Not like we see it advertised or very heavily promoted, its mostly a BBCA thing, by word of mouth and of cousre the Cons etc. Yes, this past year was a bit different, a little more publicity than usual, but for a 50th anniversary, not like you would think. I think it’s likely it is this way around the world as well, though in the UK, that might be vastly different. So while the hype is part of it, that isn’t what is the full driving force behind the show.
It offers viewers something more, something they are looking for, something a little better, a concept that is as old as mankind…. Hope. That there is a better way than sheer force, that might doesn’t mean right, that the little people can have a say and don’t have to play victim to the powers that be, that they can make a difference and even though they can be flawed, that their lives mean something. This is the way I see the show, yes, there is good and bad parts to it, any show that has been around for any length of time has that, but to me, the good far outweighs the bad and that’s because it offers a unique perspective that no other show has ever truly captured and that brings us back to hope.
Moff has stayed mostly true to that (I’m very aware of the problems), but I would argue that with the possible return of the Timelords, he has brought the Doctor back to himself, back from a precipice that truly change his very nature and how he was perceived. He has brought my Doctor back, My Doctor would have found another way than the total destruction of Gallifrey, My Doctor who would never commit genocide… even against the Daleks, that’s is why he is The Doctor.
So your Doctor also sexualizes and sexually assaults women? That’s the nature of the Doctor? Is there enough good in the show to outweigh that?
Lord help me.
Hmm, where did I ever say that? Also, if you knew anything about me or my blog you would see just how foolish this statement is.
I assume you are talking about that kiss he gave Jenny, somewhat problematic and it could easily have been left out, but I don’t see it as sinister as I have heard others say it is. For you to use that as your only basis for your rebuttal is a bit odd. Some would say it was a spontaneous and non-sexual kiss. I know others see it differently. Honestly, you are over dramatizing it and making it more than what it was, but I do understand if that one kiss disturbed you, but it was far from the most horrid thing ever to be televised, even in Who.
Taken in context, the kiss was from a alien that even though he knows earth and it’s people well, still struggles with it’s social conventions and norms, that is very much like my Doctor. The same kind of thing could be said about him at Amy’s and Rory’s wedding, where he danced with everyone and stating the women seem to love it, the guys were a little shy. he couldn’t understand why that might be as the human concepts of sexuality and socializing have never been his strong suit. This isn’t an apology for that kissing scene, it was not needed in any real way, but rather an explanation of how a non-human alien just doesn’t see it the same way you might and how that is very much like my Doctor.
Some will always read what they want to into these things and I will never convince you otherwise, but that is how I see it.
Nevermind. I thought you were able to tell the difference between a televised nonconsensual kiss of a married lesbian rape survivor by the male protagonist that children watch and emulate and a throwaway line about men being shy about dancing.
I’m sorry, there is no excuse for the Doctor ‘seeing things differently.’ She slapped him after and he laughed it off and then went on to make a boner joke about her with his screwdriver. There is a difference between a non-human misunderstanding (aka 9 telling ghosts that it’s cool for them to use the bodies of dead people) and the outright disrespect of women, especially LGBTQA+ women on screen. The Doctor’s disrespect and assault is never challenged by the narrative or the characters either. Why would any woman want to travel with him after that? The reason I started watching the show was because of the companions. It was made clear that they were equal to the Doctor and that they were all brilliant in their own ways in their own skills and the Doctor respected those skills. When the Doctor challenged them or things got out of hand, they would put him in his place immediately.
And the Jenny situation far from the only rebuttal. But you stated in your statement that you outright didn’t care about how Moffat writes race, gender, sexuality, etc… I was just attempting to put into perspective for you what I, as a pansexual sexual assault survivor saw your post as: a blatant disregard for real fans who are hurt and offended by how Moffat portrays women and minority groups and by extension, how the Doctor treats said women and minority groups. I would love to be able to love Doctor Who right now as written by Moffat. But I can’t. Because the Doctor sexually assaulted and then grossly sexualized a woman like me. And the disturbing thing about it, is that it’s a children’s show. The Doctor is a supposed role model for young boys and these are the lessons they are learning. That it’s okay to kiss women without their consent. That it’s okay to talk about how your friend’s skirt is ‘just a little too tight’ and to imply that the TARDIS he dumbs down for girls. It’s teaching girls that if a guy doesn’t like you growing old to just ‘hide the damage.’ Where’s our Martha Jones response to this nonsense? Why don’t we teach girls anymore that ‘hey, doesn’t matter how fly the guy is, if you’re in an unhealthy relationship, get out?’ Amy, Clara, Vastra, Jenny, and River should have left Eleven at the curb a long long time ago because they deserve better.
This is so accurate. At school, we literally have children who will watch our facial expressions to see if them falling is as bad as they think it might be.
CORRECT CHILD INJURY PROCEDURE:
- do not react. at the most, maybe wince and go “ooooh”
- go over to the child to assess panic level and severity of injury
- if they’re like, dying, remain calm, but they’re probably not.
- look them in the eye and ask, “you okay?” they will nod. possibly all teary-eyed. then ask, “are we gonna need to cut it off?”
- the child is thrown off. if they giggle, you’re in the money. if they do not, put a bandaid on and do some sympathetic patting. they are probably a little teary. let the sad little bug sit out for a minute. they will quickly get bored.
- works every time
"sad little bug" is the cutest and most accurate term ive heard used to describe a child because sometimes bugs are kinda super cute sometimes bugs are really fucking annoying and sometimes bugs are downright TERRIFYING
The evil Moffat ‘haters’ aren’t the ones excusing the sexual assault of a married queer woman, and a rape survivor at that.
"The Doctor would never destroy Gallifrey because of all the innocent children!"
Yeah play but what about all the Silent Children on Earth whom the Doctor didn’t spare a thought to when he ordered the Human race to wipe out the entire species?